AI and judgmentJanuary 27, 20262 hr 9 min

The MikeyG Podcast Experience

AI Can Lie and You Can't Prove It: Joe Kristiansen's on Founder Challenges and Model-Agnostic Measurement Layer

Joe KristiansenEntrepreneur, enterprise architect, and creator of CMEF

Portrait of Joe Kristiansen

In this episode of The MikeyG Podcast Experience, entrepreneur and enterprise architect Joe Kristiansen shares his unique journey from 13 years in Canadian military search and rescue to creating CMEF, a model-agnostic measurement layer designed for large language models.

In this episode of The MikeyG Podcast Experience, entrepreneur and enterprise architect Joe Kristiansen shares his unique journey from 13 years in Canadian military search and rescue to creating CMEF, a model-agnostic measurement layer designed for large language models. Joe dives deep into the challenges startups face when implementing AI, emphasizing why founders need transparency and audit trails rather than just trusting outputs. Discover how Joe’s framework tackles the startup struggles of relying on AI decisions that can 'sound right when they're actually wrong.' This conversation shines a light on founder mindset, authentic leadership, and the importance of human connection in navigating life lessons within the tech and AI space.

The story of Joe Kristiansen

Thirty schools and the search for an anchor

Joe attended more than 30 schools while growing up because his father's welding work moved the family from job to job. Repeatedly entering a new class taught him to read social structures quickly and adapt his behavior, but it also pushed his own identity into the background. A neighborhood mentor, a former United States Marine named Bob, gave Joe a stable lesson about keeping his word. Reading, creative writing, mathematics, science, aviation, and motorcycles became lasting interests.

At 17, with college not yet accessible and few settled plans, Joe joined the Canadian military. The relative stability of military postings slowed the constant movement. It also gave him a practical career, a team, and eventually a way to connect technical ability with work that carried visible public purpose.

Search and rescue, loss, and systems that serve people

Joe began in artillery, then moved into Air Force electronics and spent about 13 years supporting search and rescue aircraft. The work taught him to value the contribution of each link in a chain, including routine maintenance that allowed a later mission to locate a crash site. A separate aircraft accident killed his best friend and other crew members, prompting a deeper look at family, home, and the lack of an anchor in his own life.

He earned Java certifications, took leave to teach J2EE application architecture through IBM, and returned with new ways to automate military processes. With mentors and colleagues, he helped turn a month long readiness reporting cycle into an on demand system. The experience reinforced process, adaptable goals, mentorship, and satisfaction in useful work rather than public recognition.

Measuring AI outputs with CMEF

Joe created CMEF after identifying a gap in enterprise AI systems: large language models can produce confident errors, while users often lack an independent way to measure, reproduce, or audit what happened. CMEF is designed as a model agnostic observation layer that scores outputs, records evidence, and lets an organization decide whether to allow, warn on, route, or block a result. It does not depend on access to a model's private internals.

Joe has a functioning alpha and is working toward a beta that can run as a service or inside a customer's stack. His immediate goals include securing expressions of interest, raising development funding, and building the beta with the versioning and release discipline used in the risk industries he comes from. He frames the work as risk measurement and mitigation rather than a promise to make AI safe.

Three ideas

What stays with you

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    Frequent childhood moves taught Joe to adapt quickly but delayed a stable sense of identity and home.

  2. 02

    Search and rescue work showed him how routine technical contributions can enable life saving outcomes.

  3. 03

    CMEF is designed to score and log model outputs without requiring access to a provider's internal system.